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Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:51 pm
by Broccoli_Apocalypse
I'm still loving the crap out of this album. It's actually #2 for me, and I think it's there to stay.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:05 pm
by Christian
Broccoli_Apocalypse wrote:I'm still loving the crap out of this album. It's actually #2 for me, and I think it's there to stay.

Dude, totally unrelated, but i JUST started listening to Hot Water Music a couple of weeks ago and didn't notice your avatar until just now hahaha great record.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:21 pm
by Broccoli_Apocalypse
Dude!! Aren't these guys freakin' dope!? A lot of people didn't like the album that came after Caution ... The New What Next ... people HATED it ... but that was a really monumental album for me. It's what got me into the whole emo stuff. "Caution" is a great album, but the song it's named after "I Was On A Mountain," is dope as HEEEEEELL.

Did you listen to their split with Alkaline Trio?

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:17 am
by Christian
Broccoli_Apocalypse wrote:Dude!! Aren't these guys freakin' dope!? A lot of people didn't like the album that came after Caution ... The New What Next ... people HATED it ... but that was a really monumental album for me. It's what got me into the whole emo stuff. "Caution" is a great album, but the song it's named after "I Was On A Mountain," is dope as HEEEEEELL.

Did you listen to their split with Alkaline Trio?

It was actually through their cover of Radio how I discovered them hahaha I'm currently spamming Caution and Exister, but I'll check out The New What Next afterwards.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:07 am
by Broccoli_Apocalypse
Cool man. There's also The Draft side project. That band is cool too. That one features Chris Willard. Then the other singer, Chuck Ragan, has done solo stuff, too. But back to Hot Water's Exister. "Drag My Body" is fucking intense as hell. So much emotion. I really see Exister as a "Caution Part II." I mean, I fucking love it, but I really fell in love with The New What's Next ... it really punched me in the face so many times. I wouldn't say I was disappointed by Exister, seeing as they hadn't made an album in years and I'm glad they're back, but I was hoping for a continuation of that experimental sound in The New What Next. But yah, The New What Next was very experimental for them. Very atmospheric, no, extremely atmospheric. That's what many people were bothered by. It wasn't straight up emotional punk anymore. But FUCK. The tracks on that album are just brutally awesome. FUCK. The fucking riff in "All Heads Down" is so intense. And "My Little Monkey Wrench"?! Jesus. Fucking amazing.

And the opener? Poison!?! OOOOOOH MYYYYYYY GOOOOOOOOOD! The imagery.

I could waste away with politics ... or drown myself with wine, confine myself to solitude and inject poison into my mind. Meanwhile ..... outside ..... everything still grows .... wild like fire and fury, while I wish aloooooone .... YOU KNOW THAT I CAN FEEL THE POISON IN MY MIIIIIND. YOU KNOW THAT I CAN FEEL THE VENOM DEEP INSIIIIDE. I feel like I'm in an endless niiiiiight. LIKE I AM FALLING THROUGH THE RESTLESS SKYYYYYYYYYY

I could find myself in paradise. Walk on endless shores. Cut my feet so drastically before I beg for more. Meanwhile, in front of me, under every stone. Lies a thousand reasons. With a thousand rhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyymes ...

Yah. I like Hot Water haha

So how about that California album?? Actually, I think that many people's disappointment about "California" is how I feel about "Exister." Like many of you blink guys, you wanted that "untitled" experimental sound and, instead, they went back. Hot Water basically did that, too. And that makes me sad.

But we'll see what happens. It's funny how differently you can view music in a similar genre.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:55 am
by PantaRhei
I don't wanna start shit again but if you read these boards the last couple of months you'd know there's a lot more to us not liking the album than them simply 'going back'. In fact, the few songs I do (kinda) like on this record are the ones where they 'successfully' go back.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:31 am
by Kay
PantaRhei wrote:I don't wanna start shit again but if you read these boards the last couple of months you'd know there's a lot more to us not liking the album than them simply 'going back'. In fact, the few songs I do (kinda) like on this record are the ones where they 'successfully' go back.


its not the whole argument definitely but you can't deny that it is part of the problem.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:44 pm
by Broccoli_Apocalypse
Naw. You guys just like it when it's "dark." When it sounds anything pre-self-titled with non-mature lyrics, people freak out and say it sounds boring.

What does "successfully" go back even mean? If it doesn't include The Only Thing That Matters then you can't use that as an argument.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:36 am
by OBGYN_KENOBI
The whole album is "engineered" there was a sound they went for and it was executed. Wasn't a "natural change". It was meant to sound like past blink. Some people that will rub the wrong way for what ever reason.

For me its a good album. It does exactly what it set out to do. And that in itself is admirable. I really really been loving TOTTM. Its just a good fun song. In itself there is nod to both Dude Ranch and Toypaj.

Over time the length of the songs bugs me. Only two minutes or so on any given song. Some under 2 minutes. It urks me, the songs could go on for a bit longer. I dont like Feldmans need to stupify things.

Still fighting myself on best track on the album. It changes weekly.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:38 am
by Kay
I do hate the album as a whole, and cannot listen to the album as a whole, but there are some songs I'm happy to listen to by themselves. TOTTM, No Future, Cynical, San Diego... I used to like Los Angeles but I can't really listen to it now. guess I wore it out.
I also still have Built This Pool as my text alert.

the problem is, if you consider all of the songs as a whole album, the album sucks. Those songs individually (if you ignore the repetitive nature of the record itself) are a lot more palatable. They still have their issues but are you know, alright for a blink b-side.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:45 am
by Broccoli_Apocalypse
I see this album as the perfect transition after TOYPAJ. Untitled was a fluke ... ESPECIALLY Feeling This. That song isn't really a blink song. It's too good for them, unfortunately. The sound of this album COMPLETELY fits when you see it as a natural progression from TOYPAJ. Untitled should have been viewed as a random entity. Neighborhoods tried to revive that, but it made no sense and just fell completely flat. It was the right move to go away from that.

When we talk about flow, again, Untitled and Neighborhoods don't work. A blink "flow" is the shared vocals. I don't think I can ever go beyond that. And there's no flow. There are just random Mark songs that just break up the monotony of Tom's effort at being different. It just ... feels so ... fake.

California doesn't. It's a therapeutic album. It's about a band trying to find themselves, and the best way you can do that is by realizing where you came from, who your inspirations were, and going forward.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:32 am
by breathwish
"Too good for them" explains why they're making total trash now. Don't try, guys; you might actually make something listenable.

Re: California Official Discussion

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:12 pm
by Broccoli_Apocalypse
breathwish wrote:"Too good for them" explains why they're making total trash now. Don't try, guys; you might actually make something listenable.

The problem is that they tried to make something they couldn't do and it ended up being a train wreck (untitled and Neighborhoods). There's nothing wrong with trying something new. But if you can't try and make something new and make it sound good, then you're better off sticking to what you know.

The change worked with Enema. That evolution (yes, it was a huge evolution) worked.

But untitled? Fuck. If all of the songs were on par with Feeling This, then, yah, it would've been great. But everything was downhill from there after that track. It was this fucking incredible tune that sticks out because of how great it is and of how linear all the other songs are.